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Post by Sturzkampf on Jun 23, 2015 7:39:44 GMT
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Post by Sturzkampf on Jun 23, 2015 7:47:00 GMT
Zo, does de Baron know about 'Lucrezia-in-Anevka' und 'Lucrezia-in-Zola'?
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Post by andyab1000 on Jun 23, 2015 9:41:01 GMT
Zo, does de Baron know about 'Lucrezia-in-Anevka' und 'Lucrezia-in-Zola'? Hy tink he does know 'bout Lucrezia-in-Anevka (ectually, vit de new head, dot iz no longer Anevka. But who's counting?). Dot vas who he frustrated vit Tarvek's inoculation. Dis "Queen of the Dawn" gots to be Zola. He dun't know 'bout her. Only Lucrezia-in-Agatha knows dot. Zola ain't a Spark, hy tink. She iz usink Lucrezia's knowledge, but needs odder Sparks to make it.
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Post by Sturzkampf on Jun 23, 2015 12:20:48 GMT
Zo, does de Baron know about 'Lucrezia-in-Anevka' und 'Lucrezia-in-Zola'? Hy tink he does know 'bout Lucrezia-in-Anevka (ectually, vit de new head, dot iz no longer Anevka. But who's counting?). Dot vas who he frustrated vit Tarvek's inoculation. Dis "Queen of the Dawn" gots to be Zola. He dun't know 'bout her. Only Lucrezia-in-Agatha knows dot. Zola ain't a Spark, hy tink. She iz usink Lucrezia's knowledge, but needs odder Sparks to make it. Vell, Tarvek knows about Lucrezia-in-Zola becawse he heard the entire conversation: www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100714#.VYlNxvlVhBcand he knows about Lucrezia-in-de-clenk-dot-used-to-tink-it-vos-Anevka, vhich vas schtill runnink around pretendink to be Anevka in de Hoss-spittle bevor it got blown up. www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110221#.VYlPBvlVhBcZo hy tink de Baron needs to get Tarvek back more dan he knows.
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Post by saber on Jun 23, 2015 15:42:10 GMT
Tarvek seemed to have told Agatha and Gil about Zola in Lu after they woke up since Agatha knew. The fact he clarifies and said "the Lucrezia essentia in Agatha" (As opposed to in someone else), means he knows theirs more than one. And he was talking about the possibility of their being many a couple of pages ago.
But What I'm thinking here is that Gil is referring to is the situation back in Stumhulten. We barely know what happened there, Gil knows even less. What he dose know, though is that both Lu!Agatha and Lu!Anevka were created their. So he may be wondering what orders that Lu!Agatha gave to the giesterdamen (And perhaps Lu!Anevka) that they are following now.
Also the fact that they are being guided with working with the Others tech makes me feel Lu!Anevka still has the spark, since Lu!Agatha certainly dosn't have the time to guide anyone.
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Post by tzoram on Jun 23, 2015 16:32:08 GMT
Hrmmm. Hy vonder how Lucrezia vould set tings in control from Agatha. Hy vould tink her vasp veasel vould let everyvun know if dey vas even close to a revenant.
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 24, 2015 3:58:01 GMT
Also the fact that they are being guided with working with the Others tech makes me feel Lu!Anevka still has the spark, since Lu!Agatha certainly dosn't have the time to guide anyone. She almost certainly does not since a) the Spark is physically tied to the brain b) Real!Anevka had the spark but that robot is not Real!Anevka and c) everyone was astonished by the idea of a robot with the Spark back in Castle Heterodyne, so presumably even Tarvek hadn't done it. But considering how good Tarvek is at making clanks, if anyone could do it, he could.
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Post by saber on Jun 24, 2015 11:25:28 GMT
Also the fact that they are being guided with working with the Others tech makes me feel Lu!Anevka still has the spark, since Lu!Agatha certainly dosn't have the time to guide anyone. She almost certainly does not since a) the Spark is physically tied to the brain b) Real!Anevka had the spark but that robot is not Real!Anevka and c) everyone was astonished by the idea of a robot with the Spark back in Castle Heterodyne, so presumably even Tarvek hadn't done it. But considering how good Tarvek is at making clanks, if anyone could do it, he could. We don't actually know that the spark is tied to the physical side of the brain, Klaus thought it might, but even with Dr.Dim he hasn't yet manged to turn the spark off. (The novel makes it very clear that he is still very sparky, but no longer has the ability to really use it.) That said the mind and personality is just as much as a physical element then any other brain function, which could imply that the transfer actually copies the brain in some way, but that would depend how close to reality the Professors are working here. We have seen Lu!Anevka speak with a "sparky" voice, she was incredibly jealous that she didn't get to "play" with the spark wasp, and she did do something to Zola's healing engine. Considering Lucrezia is a master at moving minds around, and we know little about how it works, I don't think we can really say for certain she can't copy the spark. She has done Organic to non-organic before, possibly with her own self considering Enigma. In which case I think it would actually be Lucrezia who gets the credit, not Tarvek. Plus it's a very different thing to create something like the spark from nothing, than to copy it with a mind and move it somewhere else. And we do keep being told that styles run in families.
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Post by Sturzkampf on Jun 24, 2015 11:30:41 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 30, 2015 12:42:30 GMT
I kind of always thought that was an orphaned plotline. It was brought up once, but it should have been a much bigger deal than it was treated as, then never mentioned again.
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Post by saber on Jun 30, 2015 18:37:34 GMT
I kind of always thought that was an orphaned plotline. It was brought up once, but it should have been a much bigger deal than it was treated as, then never mentioned again. Twice actually, once by Tarvek and Gil and once by Theo and the Prisoner sparks. Considering Krosp and his bears, I think it could easily be foreshadowing for something to happen latter on. It's not like they really had the time back when they were wondering about it to act upon it. Their were other things that needed to get done, and since both Gil, Tarvek, and Theo are out of the picture (Mostly in Gil's case, he's just busy elsewhere) and Agatha hasn't realized anything special is going on, their hasn't really been a place to bring it back up. This may change now since Agatha has the notebook, and Tarvek may be on the fast track to coming back (maybe). I wouldn't be surprised if it gets tied into the muses and the Storm King's plot line.
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