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Post by jsstryker on Sept 20, 2015 17:23:28 GMT
Who iz diz Skott und vy iz he great? De schtory gets curiouser und curiouser!
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Daedalus
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 22, 2015 1:48:12 GMT
Plus the only time travel we have seen so far, even with Othar's twitter, is time windows, stopping time, and throwing ones mind back into your younger body. None of which would get Gil or Tarvek back into the Storm King era. If I remember correctly, the energy cost to send anything more than information back is impossible, or at least implied to be by a very old Tarvek. True, and I agree that the theory that I like is definitely a long shot. Kind of like the one I support in another fandom (check my signature's link). But I still feel like defending it, haha! They could have just sent their minds back into the bodies of the historical Andronicus Valois and Rembrandt Van Rijn, though again this is a long shot. Furthermore, it's partially implied that matter can move through the time windows (though by no means confirmed) - Agatha and friends seemed concerned when Bang was about to shoot them, and to me the perspective looks like Enigma's hand is actually sticking through the portal near the beginning. The time windows appear to work on a different principle from Tarvek's mental time travel, so different rules may apply? Or they could be harnessing some ENORMOUS source of energy to power it and allow physical transport. But there isn't any problem with predestination paradoxes in fiction. Not to mention we already have several minor ones, since the time window originally led Agatha to break through, and it's likely she is involved on the other side of that time window (given what Bang saw). Plus, the Baron is extra worried about Agatha because he saw her future self through the time window. Heck, predestination paradoxes are almost guaranteed in any literature with time travel involved, and we know Girl Genius has it as an element of the universe.
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Post by saber on Sept 24, 2015 3:01:00 GMT
Plus the only time travel we have seen so far, even with Othar's twitter, is time windows, stopping time, and throwing ones mind back into your younger body. None of which would get Gil or Tarvek back into the Storm King era. If I remember correctly, the energy cost to send anything more than information back is impossible, or at least implied to be by a very old Tarvek. True, and I agree that the theory that I like is definitely a long shot. Kind of like the one I support in another fandom (check my signature's link). But I still feel like defending it, haha! They could have just sent their minds back into the bodies of the historical Andronicus Valois and Rembrandt Van Rijn, though again this is a long shot. Furthermore, it's partially implied that matter can move through the time windows (though by no means confirmed) - Agatha and friends seemed concerned when Bang was about to shoot them, and to me the perspective looks like Enigma's hand is actually sticking through the portal near the beginning. The time windows appear to work on a different principle from Tarvek's mental time travel, so different rules may apply? Or they could be harnessing some ENORMOUS source of energy to power it and allow physical transport. But there isn't any problem with predestination paradoxes in fiction. Not to mention we already have several minor ones, since the time window originally led Agatha to break through, and it's likely she is involved on the other side of that time window (given what Bang saw). Plus, the Baron is extra worried about Agatha because he saw her future self through the time window. Heck, predestination paradoxes are almost guaranteed in any literature with time travel involved, and we know Girl Genius has it as an element of the universe. Things moving forward in time is probably a lot easier to do than things moving backwards in time. Taking over the original Van Rijn and Andronicus would be getting really into the "Lu taking over Agatha" territory so I hope not. That would be effectively killing them. I don't know, I'm not to bothered with Time windows or whatever inspiring themselves to be created. (If Agatha ends up creating the Muse of Time for instance, or setting a self fulfilling prophesy into action (Like Klaus and Bang, though I want to add that nobody in those windows saw, or even likely knows about them.) But it's a lot harder to swallow the ability to do something coming out of nowhere. If Tarvek had been able to create Muse like clanks before Tinka and the notebook it would be a different story, but he learns all his knowledge from studying Tinka and likely from the notebook as well (Since he had time to annotate Agatha's notes). Plus, anyway, I find that it would be a pretty cruel fate for Tarvek that I would prefer he avoid. Being sent back in time, hundreds of years from his friends and possible lovers, forced to be a hermit... It doesn't sound pleasant nor anything like how Tarvek would enjoy. Plus wasn't Van Rijn classified as an Art Spark, while Tarvek is not? I don't remember. And any, lately I've been coming slightly more fond, though not quite convinced it will happen, of Van Rijn being an estranged white sheep of the Heterodyne family. That by itself would explain why he was a loner and didn't let his picture be painted. While also letting that lamp Gil had possibly be the Lantern that has recently come up in story.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 24, 2015 5:09:03 GMT
And any, lately I've been coming slightly more fond, though not quite convinced it will happen, of Van Rijn being an estranged white sheep of the Heterodyne family. That by itself would explain why he was a loner and didn't let his picture be painted. While also letting that lamp Gil had possibly be the Lantern that has recently come up in story. Ooh! I like this theory. It would make him something like the proto-Heterodyne Boys. Where'd you hear it? Or did you come up with it?
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Post by saber on Sept 24, 2015 16:31:26 GMT
And any, lately I've been coming slightly more fond, though not quite convinced it will happen, of Van Rijn being an estranged white sheep of the Heterodyne family. That by itself would explain why he was a loner and didn't let his picture be painted. While also letting that lamp Gil had possibly be the Lantern that has recently come up in story. Ooh! I like this theory. It would make him something like the proto-Heterodyne Boys. Where'd you hear it? Or did you come up with it? I'm an obsessed person and scour the internet for Girl Genius stuff a bunch, so I read a lot of discussion forums that I don't take part in. It's come up on occasion, and recently someone on the Giant in the playground forum mentioned it as a possibility do to the lantern coming up. Since then I've put some thought into it. It would explain why he hid away and didn't let his face be publicized, it could explain the implyment that Heterodynes before Bill and Barry were given the chance to earn hours in Paris (He could have been the one to start the trend even), it could explain how Otilla was given access to the Heterodyne graves to "watch over" the last Heterodyne girl before she was found by Lucrezia. And some other things as well, such as some, but not all, of his and the Muses knowledge. He could have been able to find Robur's notes on time travel as well. Agatha fixed that organ and that's what triggered Moxana to give her the book, maybe the organ sounded enough like heterodyneing that it was proof to Moxana that she was who she was. (Having known what heterodyneing sounded like do to Van Rijn doing it? This one is a long shot I know.) And it would let the lamp Gil bought (likely in the black market) still be a Heterodyne lamp while also being the Muses lamp.
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